The Death Penalty

[I Hate Bottles]

How do you feel about it?

[FryRulz]

Iam all for the death penalty.

[I Hate Bottles]

I more against than for but I can see it from both ends. I was doing some reading on it and I couldn't believe how many innocent people were executed, even when everyone knew about their innocence. There are a couple of cases where the judge and the governor of the state were presented evidence of the defendant's innocence, yet they went along with the execution anyway. It's a really long read, but it's interesting. It actually really pissed me off.

http://www.justicedenied.org/executed.htm

Our country is totally against torture and cruel and unusual punishment and even though lethal injection seems like a peaceful way to die, it really isn't. Whether or not you feel that they deserve torture for what they did is not the point...it goes against everything our country stands for. I'm speaking generally by the way, not "you" specifically.

Then again I've never had a family member murdered at the hands of some monster, so I can totally sympathize. I can't fault them at all for wanting the death penalty.

[FryRulz]

I want it for peados, rapists and murderers.

If anything ever happened to Hayley or another one of my loved ones. F*** the law, id give the f***er that did it a death penalty myself.

[I Hate Bottles]

I can't blame you for that at all, I'm sure I would want it too if someone did that to one of my family members. But the fact that this country has executed innocent people knowing full well of their innocence is sickening. And these aren't cases that were around centuries ago, some of these happened in the 80's and 90's. That is completely inexcusable.

[FryRulz]

I agree it is when they were innocent. But if you can prove 100% that they are guilty then i say give the sick c***s the death penalty.

Especially for sexual crimes against children. I have always thought it was sick, but whenever i look at my daughter i think who the f*** could do that to a little child. And it makes me even more angry.

[I Hate Bottles]

That's the main drawback that I can find is that they put people to death who they aren't 100% sure of their guilt. I think if the death penalty is considered then we have to be absolutely positive about their guilt, beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Either way I think that the electric chair is definitely the worst. Up until 2008 the state of Nebraska used it as a sole method of execution. I found some horrific stories about that method of execution:

April 22, 1983. Alabama. John Evans.After the first jolt of
electricity, sparks and flames erupted from the electrode attached to his
leg. The electrode then burst from the strap holding it in place and
caught on fire. Smoke and sparks came out from under the hood. Two
physicians entered the chamber and found a heartbeat. The electrode was
reattached to his leg. More smoke and burning flesh. Again doctors found
a heartbeat. Ignoring the pleas of Evan's lawyer, Russ Canan, a third jolt was applied. The execution took 14 minutes
and left Evan's body charred and smoldering.

July 14, 1989. Alabama. Horace F. Dunkins. It took two jolts (nine
minutes apart) to kill this mentally retarded inmate. The foul-up was
caused by "human error:" faulty cable hookups. As a result, there was not
enough current to cause death. His attorney was Steve Ellis of
Philadelphia. Death was pronounced 19 minutes after the first jolt.

May 4, 1990. Florida. Jesse Joseph Tafero. When the state replaced a
"natural" sponge with a synthetic sponge in the headpiece of the
execution apparatus, six-inch flames erupted, and three jolts of power
were required to stop Tafero's breathing. Support for the state's faulty
sponge theory was generated by sticking a part of it into a "common
household toaster" and noting that it smoldered and caught fire.
Extensive investigation by the office of the Capital Collateral
Investigator in Tallahassee questioned this theory as other states have
used synthetic sponges with no problems.

March 25, 1997. Florida. Pedro Medina. With the first jolt of
electricity, blue and orange flames sparked from the mask covering
Medina's face. Flames up to a foot long shot out from the right side of
Medina's head for 6 - 10 seconds. The execution chamber clouded with
smoke, and the smell of burnt flesh filled the witness room.

July 8, 1999. Florida. Allen Lee Davis. When hit with the 2,300
volts, blood poured from Davis' mouth. The blood poured onto the collar
of his white shirt, and oozed onto his chest. By the time he was
pronounced dead, the stain on Davis' chest had grown to the size of a
dinner plate, and seeped through buckle holes on the leather chest strap
holding him to the chair. Davis was the first inmate to be executed in
Florida's new electric chair.

Now with the first case, John Evans, well that guy was a piece of work. Even I almost don't feel sorry for him, but this is not the definition of a humane execution. It's unconstitutional, regardless of what he has done.

We even execute the mentally disabled in this country. Last year the state of Virginia executed a man with the mentality of an 11-year-old child.

Now bear in mind that I'm simply playing the devil's advocate here. I'm probably not going to take a strong stance on this subject one way or the other. I don't think it's a black and white issue and there are too many gray areas for me to make a definite opinion on the matter.

[Kigents]

I believe if you kill a people you should have the same fate.

[I Hate Bottles]

The justice system in this country is so flawed. People get framed, evidence gets planted, witnesses pivotal to the case are dismissed or not even listened to in a court of law. With our justice system having as many problems with corruption as it does, what right do we have to play with human lives? There were probably more innocent people executed than we know. Our official stance in this country is that capital punishment is used mainly as a deterrent for future crimes. This has been proven to be untrue.

• The death penalty does not make communities safer. Wisconsin, which has not had the death penalty for150 years, has a murder rate that is half that of states like Texas and Florida that use the death penalty frequently.
• The murder rate in Canada has dropped by 27% since the death penalty was abolished in that country in
1976. (Amnesty International)
• A New York Times survey demonstrated that the homicide rate in states with capital punishment have been
48% to 101% higher than those without the death penalty. (Raymond Bonner and Ford Fessenden, “Absence of Executions,” New York Times, September 22, 2000)
• 2 out of every 3 law enforcement officers do not believe that capital punishment decreases the rate
of homicides. (Death Penalty Information Center)

Even lethal injection which is probably the most "humane" form of execution was originally used by the Nazis in concentration camps.

[FryRulz]

Murder has actually gone up in UK since it wa abolished

[I Hate Bottles]

Murder has actually gone up in UK since it wa abolished

I saw an article that stated that unlawful killings have more than doubled in the UK since it was abolished. It's strange that we get the opposite effect here in the US.

The state of Texas is insane. They account for about 37% of all executions in the US. They'll execute you in Texas if you spit your gum on the sidewalk. At least they got rid of Old Sparky anyway.

[FryRulz]

It is strange


All i know is if UK wouldnt do anything, i certainly would bring it to myself to seek revenge.

[KING ZOIDY]

People who deserve the chair:


Murderers
Rapists
Child molestors
Hippies

[I Hate Bottles]

I just don't feel comfortable living in a country where executions are handed out so freely, especially those certain cases where they don't listen to all the evidence.

Now I'm going to play the devil's advocate once again, but there is the whole generic and overly used argument of two wrongs not making a right. If we murder people who murder others, then how are we any better than them? When fighting a monster you have to be very careful that you don't become one yourself. Killing them won't bring the deceased back or extinguish the pain of their living victims. Will the families find peace and closure once the execution is carried out?

But on the other side of the coin we are saying that as a nation, we will not tolerate these crimes you have committed and you have lost your right to live by denying someone else that right. And I personally feel that rape and child molestation is akin to murder, given the fact that you've taken something from someone that they can never get back.

I think life imprisonment should be worse than death. Our prisons are like luxury hotels compared to other countries. Three meals a day, exercise, recreational activities and free television. For hardcore criminals like murderers, rapists and child molesters, we should just throw them in a dank little cell and give them nothing but bread and water. Not to deny their physical needs or anything, but lock them in a cage and treat them like the animals they are. I think that is a fate worse than death.

[KING ZOIDY]

cause by killing the monster you are saving others, would you honestly let a serial killer back outside or just kill him and end it?

[I Hate Bottles]

The point is not letting him back into society. Just stuff him in a little dark cell and give him bread and water for the rest of his life. No chance of parole, nothing.

I am not for or against the death penalty. But there have been too many instances where it has been abused in this country.

[KING ZOIDY]

thats costing us money, i'd rather him die than spend the next 50+ years leeching off my taxes

[Punisher]

Death Penalty should be served to people who deserve it. Like Osama Bin Laden, if he was still alive from 9/11(though I doubt he would've survived) then it would've been neccesary.

So I'm all for it.

[I Hate Bottles]

Executions cost the taxpayers a hell of a lot too. A harsher imprisonment then what we have now would cost considerably less than what we're paying now.

[KING ZOIDY]

excecution costs alot less
it's pretty inhumane to keep a person locked up and isolated for decades, why not just put them out of their misery?

[I Hate Bottles]

excecution costs alot less
it's pretty inhumane to keep a person locked up and isolated for decades, why not just put them out of their misery?

These animals don't deserve to be treated like humans. With a harsher imprisonment we won't be denying them any of their physical needs, but even "humane" executions like lethal injections are often times excruciating for the condemned.

[FryRulz]

I say torture and then kill these monsters.

[KING ZOIDY]

These animals don't deserve to be treated like humans. With a harsher imprisonment we won't be denying them any of their physical needs, but even "humane" executions like lethal injections are often times excruciating for the condemned.

they deserve it

[I Hate Bottles]

Regardless whether or not someone deserves it is irrelevant. It goes against everything we believe as a nation, and it's unconstitutional. There are people I would definitely like to see tortured to death and I think dumping them in a vat of acid would be too good for them. But the fact remains is that it's unconstitutional.

In most states three chemicals are used for lethal injection: Sodium thiopental, pancuronium bromide, and potassium chloride. The first of these is considered an ultra-short-acting bromide which is effective as an anesthesia for just a few minutes. The second, pancuronium bromide, marketed as Pavulon, paralyzes the skeletal muscles without affecting the nerves or brain. The individual injected with Pavulon is conscious without being able to move or speak, thus giving the impression of serenity or tranquility. In the state of Tennessee, it is a crime for veterinarians to use this drug in euthanizing pets. The final injection, potassium chloride, stops the heart while causing excruciating pain. The effect of this “cocktail,” according to testimony by Dr. Mark J.S. Heath who teaches anesthesiology at Columbia, is “that the sodium thiopental can be inadequate or wear off”…leaving “the prisoner conscious, paralyzed, suffocating and subject to extreme pain from the potassium chloride” (Liptak, NYT, 10/7/2003).

According to Judge Ellen Hobbs Lyle, “The subject gives all the appearances of a serene expiration when actually the subject is feeling and perceiving the excruciatingly painful ordeal of death by lethal injection…the Pavulon gives a false impression of serenity to viewers, making punishment by death more palatable and acceptable to society” (Liptak, NYT, 10/7/2003).

There are a lot of people I think who deserve this fate, Scott Peterson for one, but it goes against this country's moral beliefs and values.

[KING ZOIDY]

I'm sorry but does the whole country speak for my views? i think not. I have my morals and values, and if you kill somebody or anything else withing that range of brutality and disgust then i hope you get the chair

[FryRulz]

Well if someone killed or raped anyone in my family, id do to them what happens in Last house on the left.

[I Hate Bottles]

I'm sorry but does the whole country speak for my views? i think not. I have my morals and values, and if you kill somebody or anything else withing that range of brutality and disgust then i hope you get the chair

No, and it shouldn't. But we need to make up our minds whether or not torture is acceptable. We say as a rule it isn't, but we still do it anyway. Our government is a bunch of moral hypocrites and the justice system has proved time and again that they have no qualms about executing innocent people.

[Teesside Native]

I can't decided.

[Gazereths]

As Gandhi said:

"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind."

I'm against the death penalty. There are worse fates than death....I for one would rather die a semi painless death than be locked away for the rest of my life.

[frys_red_jacket]

as long as it can be proved that the accused is 100% guilty then im all for the death penalty, it should have never been abolished in the uk in the first place

[I Hate Bottles]

I think it's so hard to decide on one stance. I personally believe that taking a life is wrong no matter what, but when you hear about people like Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy then the issue gets a little muddled. I just know that I could never personally pull the switch on anyone and I never want to be in a jury where the death penalty is presented.

One thing I am almost certain of if someone killed a member of my family in cold blood, I would want to see them dead. For some families it gives closure, but there have been other victims' families who did not want to see the killer executed. Of all the opinions we may have the attitudes of the deceased relatives hold more substance. I don't know what it's like to have a family member murdered and I hope no one here ever goes through it either. Their arguments definitely hold more weight than any of ours.

[Yoshirama]

The only reason so many innocent people got killed was because that was before the days of advanced techonology. Killing them off would keep the family of the innocent victam at peace.

[KING ZOIDY]

line them up and shoot them in the head

[Yoshirama]

They should get what the did to the other person. Like if they bashed them to death they should get bashed to death.

[Gazereths]

Like i said earlier:


"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind."

[I Hate Bottles]

Execution is always a political decision and it often benefits the DA's, the judge and the governor of the state, which is why so many innocent people are executed. To be honest, they don't care who they execute, just as long as their bank accounts get a little fatter.

[KING ZOIDY]

execute murderers

[I Hate Bottles]

I think it's safe to say KZ, that we can agree to disagree on this matter. :)

[KING ZOIDY]

i know i just like debating lol

[I Hate Bottles]

Same here, it's fun. lol

[KING ZOIDY]

i had a debate with my mom like 10 minutes ago, apparently she didn't see the racism in Dumbo, i won.

[I Hate Bottles]

Not even with the crows? Wow.

[KING ZOIDY]

yep...

[I Hate Bottles]

Have you heard about Christa Pike? I think she's the youngest woman ever to be sentenced to death at age 20.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Pike

That woman is a monster.

[KING ZOIDY]

WTF

[I Hate Bottles]

My thoughts exactly. I'm actually lurking on a death penalty forum right now and there's a whole section dedicated to women on death row. Hearing some of these crimes makes me sick. Even though I'm more anti than pro, this could easily sway me to the other side. Same with the Scott Peterson case.

[KING ZOIDY]

oh god Scott Peterson needs to die

[I Hate Bottles]

That man is totally sick. Here's another one I found, a woman named Darlie Routier who murdered her two sons. I found this on Wiki as well:

The public was horrified by newscasts of Routier and other family members holding a "birthday party" at the children's grave to celebrate posthumously Devon's 7th birthday, just three days after the murder. The grave had been under hidden police surveillance to obtain evidence against Routier, in the event that she were to break down or otherwise make a confession near the graveside. Darlie arrived with a local television crew she had invited, essentially rendering moot any need for police surveillance. At the birthday party, Routier was shown laughing and spraying silly string on her sons' grave. Darlie yelled out to her dead children that she loved them, all the while grinning and chewing bubble gum. Four days later, she was charged with their murder. When the case was tried in court, the jury was shown the so-called "silly string tape."

God, how sick is that?

[KING ZOIDY]

whats the f**k is wrong with these people

[I Hate Bottles]

There are a lot of people who think that she's innocent though. Some people claim to have seen another person leaving the house at the time of the murders.

[KING ZOIDY]

thats still sick...

[I Hate Bottles]

It is. I don't know what in the fork is wrong with people. Albert Fish was a real winner too. He was executed in 1936 at the age of 65 by the electric chair. That guy was totally twisted.

[KING ZOIDY]

people are demented

[I Hate Bottles]

Have you ever read that letter that Albert Fish sent? It is the most horrifying thing that I have ever read in my life.

[KING ZOIDY]

no

[I Hate Bottles]

He wrote this to the mother of the little girl he killed. I'm going to put spoilers on it because it's highly disturbing:

My Dear Mrs. Budd,

"In 1894 a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the Steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China. On arriving there he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned the boat was gone. At that time there was famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1 to 3 Dollars a pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak—chops—or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girls behind which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price.

"John staid there so long he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y. he stole two boys one 7 one 11. Took them to his home stripped them naked tied them in a closet. Then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them—tortured them—to make their meat good and tender. First he killed the 11 year old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was Cooked and eaten except the head—bones and guts. He was Roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next, went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E 100 St. near—right side. He told me so often how good Human flesh was I made up my mind to taste it.

"On Sunday June the 3—1928 I called on you at 406 W 15 St. Brought you pot cheese—strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them. When all was ready I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in a closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma.

"First I stripped her naked. How she did kick—bite and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms. Cook and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not f*** her tho I could of had I wished. She died a virgin."

Sick f**k.

[KING ZOIDY]

WHAT THE F***?????

[I Hate Bottles]

Told you it was bad. Personally I've been reading about serial killers for many years now, but nothing has horrified me as much as the Albert Fish case. I'm glad he got fried.

[KING ZOIDY]

god that guy is just...sick

[Yoshirama]

He is just so horrible he deserves to be roasted and aten. roasted alive to.

[FryRulz]

He wrote this to the mother of the little girl he killed. I'm going to put spoilers on it because it's highly disturbing:

My Dear Mrs. Budd,

"In 1894 a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the Steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China. On arriving there he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned the boat was gone. At that time there was famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1 to 3 Dollars a pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak—chops—or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girls behind which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price.

"John staid there so long he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y. he stole two boys one 7 one 11. Took them to his home stripped them naked tied them in a closet. Then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them—tortured them—to make their meat good and tender. First he killed the 11 year old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was Cooked and eaten except the head—bones and guts. He was Roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next, went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E 100 St. near—right side. He told me so often how good Human flesh was I made up my mind to taste it.

"On Sunday June the 3—1928 I called on you at 406 W 15 St. Brought you pot cheese—strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them. When all was ready I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in a closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma.

"First I stripped her naked. How she did kick—bite and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms. Cook and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not f*** her tho I could of had I wished. She died a virgin."

Sick f**k.

That made me feel sick

[SuicideBooth]

I'd rather see criminals rotting in a cell then see them die so they can just leave everything. If you want criminals to suffer, there are things worse than death.

[Yoshirama]

I guess they could do that for liek 10 years then kill them.

[I Hate Bottles]

While I think that killing anyone is wrong, for whatever reason, there are certain situations where I can totally understand it. I understand, but I don't condone it.

[Yoshirama]

Killing someone who killed some person who didn't deserve it and they did it on purpose deserves to be kills themselves.
1. the family is at peace
2. we don't have to waste time and money keeping them in jail.

thats just was i think.

[I Hate Bottles]

Execution is actually more expensive than life imprisonment. And there have been many victims' families who did not desire to see the killer executed.

[Yoshirama]

well those familys are weirdos themselves since a close family friend of mien got killed 2 years ago and he is already out of prison. Do you know how angry it makes me.

[FryRulz]

Execution is actually more expensive than life imprisonment. And there have been many victims' families who did not desire to see the killer executed.

Id personally want to see them killed. But i would prefere to set them on fire and il be the one to do it.

[Yoshirama]

can't they just shoot them in the head so not much money will be wasted but i guess their is a law against that.

[I Hate Bottles]

They're not weirdos, they just want to get on with their lives and they say that the killer's death really doesn't bring them closure. It's quite common actually. There are people who want retribution and there are people who don't. It varies from person to person.

I'm not trying to generate sympathy for killers or anything but their loved ones and family members are often overlooked in the grand scheme of things. Not only do they have to live with knowing what their loved one did to someone else, they also lose them as well. Generally speaking, what if it was a close family member like your father or your brother who did these things? Would you want to see them die as well? The DP, even though it could bring justice to the families of the victim, it generates even more heartache for the killer's family and they don't deserve that.

The main reason I am opposed to the DP is because they execute innocent people and they don't even care, yet they release multiple offenders onto the streets when they should be locked up for the rest of their natural lives. The other reason is because I find taking the life of anybody to be totally wrong. Personally this is because of my religious views. I don't think that any human should ever have the right to take a life, it's not their decision even if the killer deserves it.

I'm sorry about your friend, but I have never personally had anyone close to me murdered. Maybe my views would change if it came to that but I hope I never have to experience anything like that. I just know that there have been many instances where the families of the victim and the families of the killer have come together at the time of execution and mourned together. It's actually very sad and touching for both families.

[Yoshirama]

Yeah if they did it they deserve it just like everyone else because once they got out i would be scared to see them.

he was a son of my mums friend he got shot over mistaken idenity.

[I Hate Bottles]

I can't help but think of their families though. They did nothing to deserve anything either. Why create additional heartache for them?

I don't know what would be worse. Having a family member killed by a psychopath or knowing that a beloved family member is a psychopath who has killed many. They have feelings of grief, but they also have feelings of guilt as well.

[Yoshirama]

Know i see why the goverments job is so hard deciding laws since they have to think of both sides.

[I Hate Bottles]

Most people don't take into account that it's not only the victim's families who suffer, just because it's never really brought up. I never really thought about it until recently to be honest.

[Yoshirama]

it would be just as hard to be on the killers family. You have lost a family member to even if he/she isn't dead.

[I Hate Bottles]

True, even if they live their life in prison their family still never sees them. It's a rocky situation, I'm just glad I don't have to make those decisions.

[Yoshirama]

at least my family isn't a pack of murders.

[I Hate Bottles]

Same here...at least I hope not. You never know with some people. lol

[Robot's_Best_Friend]

I think it depends...i'm not exactly sure about this...

[I Hate Bottles]

It's definitely not an easy thing to decide upon. I've been studying it for awhile now and even I'm still torn on it.

[frys_red_jacket]

He wrote this to the mother of the little girl he killed. I'm going to put spoilers on it because it's highly disturbing:

My Dear Mrs. Budd,

"In 1894 a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the Steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China. On arriving there he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned the boat was gone. At that time there was famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1 to 3 Dollars a pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak—chops—or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girls behind which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price.

"John staid there so long he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y. he stole two boys one 7 one 11. Took them to his home stripped them naked tied them in a closet. Then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them—tortured them—to make their meat good and tender. First he killed the 11 year old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was Cooked and eaten except the head—bones and guts. He was Roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next, went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E 100 St. near—right side. He told me so often how good Human flesh was I made up my mind to taste it.

"On Sunday June the 3—1928 I called on you at 406 W 15 St. Brought you pot cheese—strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them. When all was ready I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in a closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma.

"First I stripped her naked. How she did kick—bite and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms. Cook and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not f*** her tho I could of had I wished. She died a virgin."

Sick f**k.
the sick twisted complete w*nker!!!

[Yoshirama]

They should get an oversized fry pan and fry him alive in it.

[I Hate Bottles]

Well they gave him the electric chair back in the 30's. He loved pain though...Fish was a sadist and a masochist. They found 27 needles stuck in his pelvis and he used to light rags and shove them where the sun don't shine.

[Yoshirama]

He must of had soem kind of mental problem.

[I Hate Bottles]

I think that's the understatement of the year. lol

[Yoshirama]

Ok well he had a mental problem. a number of them.

[I Hate Bottles]

Wanna hear something creepy and disturbing? My ex-boyfriend looked almost exactly like Jeffrey Dahmer. I didn't realize it until a few years after we broke up. Here's a picture of Jeff:

http://www.dirjournal.com/info/images/Jeffrey_Dahmer.jpg

[Yoshirama]

LOL

[I Hate Bottles]

He was kind of a psycho too. lol

[Yoshirama]

lol he must be in the top 10 of the worst humans to live.

[I Hate Bottles]

My ex-boyfriend? You're right about that. :P

Actually I've read a lot of books on Dahmer and I've seen a few interviews with him, and as much as I hate to admit this I kinda felt sorry for him. In no way do I condone what he did, it was absolutely horrible, but he lost control and couldn't stop even though he tried to. He was actually relieved when he got caught so that it could finally end.

One really bad trait of mine (or good, depending on how you look at it) is that I can see the humanity in almost anyone, even someone like Dahmer. I don't think too many people are inherently evil, I just think that sometimes good people do some very bad things. I think I'm just way too soft.

[KING ZOIDY]

Do you see goodness in Hitler too? lol

[I Hate Bottles]

Actually, no. Almost everyone, but definitely not him. :P

[Yoshirama]

the only man that is believed to be wose then hitler is Josef Stalin. I can't decide which was worse though.

[I Hate Bottles]

They both suck to be honest.

If we captured Hitler in the war, we were going to give him the electric chair. Too bad he beat us to the punch by blowing his brains out like a coward.

[SuicideBooth]

the only man that is believed to be wose then hitler is Josef Stalin. I can't decide which was worse though.

Well a LOT more people died because of Hitler's actions, although generally Stalin wasn't any better than he was....

[Yoshirama]

They were both just as bad i think they should be tyed number 1.

[*FanGirl22*]

For it!

[Yoshirama]

I actually hate hitler more because i never here much about the other guy which makes hitler sound even worse.

[cyclops]

I'm for it, but only in very extreme circumstances, and after the person's been given multiple chances to redeem themselves. Sadly, we don't live in a perfect world, and sometimes some people need to die for the safety of the group to be maintained.

[FryRulz]

I heard that in UK a man work up one morning in a bad mood so he went to shop and brought a knife and then prowled the streets looking for someone to stab!! And when he found a innocent lone 32 yr old woman walking her dog he stabbed her to death!

Does he deserve the death penalty?

[I Hate Bottles]

Well you know my answer since I'm against the DP, but I can see why his actions would warrant having his life terminated.

[Yoshirama]

I heard that in UK a man work up one morning in a bad mood so he went to shop and brought a knife and then prowled the streets looking for someone to stab!! And when he found a innocent lone 32 yr old woman walking her dog he stabbed her to death!

Does he deserve the death penalty?

Yeah he does because he did nothing to make him in that bad mood and she didn't even know him.

[I Hate Bottles]

I respect people's opinions about the death penalty and it's a very touchy subject. I can see why people like Charles Manson and Scott Peterson should be executed, but to be honest they probably never will. California rarely executes people on death row, so chances are that Peterson will die of old age in prison and Manson can't legally be put on death row because at the time of his conviction, the death penalty was illegal in California. That's a shame. Even though I'm like 90% against the DP, Manson is one guy I would definitely like to see executed. In my opinion, he's not even human. That man is a monster.

[FryRulz]

Charley Manson :thumbup:

http://southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com/shared/sps/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/import/season_02/sp_0216_07_v6.jpg

[I Hate Bottles]

That guy is one sick mother forker.

http://www.didtheydie.com/morgue/images/charles_manson.jpg

Btw, I like those 666 numbers on his prison uniform. lol

[SuicideBooth]

Man, this guy is gone...

[frys_red_jacket]

I heard that in UK a man work up one morning in a bad mood so he went to shop and brought a knife and then prowled the streets looking for someone to stab!! And when he found a innocent lone 32 yr old woman walking her dog he stabbed her to death!

Does he deserve the death penalty?

id say yes he deserves the death penalty, a bad mood is no excuse for killing someone

[I Hate Bottles]

a bad mood is no excuse for killing someone

Damn, now what am I going to tell the cops? That was the excuse I was going to use!

[FryRulz]

id say yes he deserves the death penalty, a bad mood is no excuse for killing someone

It isnt. And just for his bad mood and act of selfishness a family is destroyed.

[frys_red_jacket]

Damn, now what am I going to tell the cops? That was the excuse I was going to use!
LOL can always just say it was pms
It isnt. And just for his bad mood and act of selfishness a family is destroyed.

damn right

[FryRulz]

The only ever true life sentence is the one the families of the murdered are forced to be given.

[I Hate Bottles]

LOL can always just say it was pms

Oh, thanks!

Cop: "Ma'am...why is there a bullet-riddled body in your trunk?"
Me: "Well, I'm having really bad PMS and this assclown cut me off, so I iced him."
Cop: "Oh, I understand Ma'am. Remember, the next time you kill someone, don't leave the body in the trunk. It's a tired cliche. Well, have a nice day and be careful on these roads, they're rather icy."
Me: "Thanks for the advice, officer. Have a nice day!"

*drives off*

[frys_red_jacket]

LOL LOL

[FryRulz]

LOL LOL

Ignore me... Pfft

[frys_red_jacket]

sorry didnt see it but yeah you are right, if someone murdered someone i loved id wanted them murdered too and id want to watch to make sure theyre dead

[I Hate Bottles]

I'd personally like to see Charles Manson get fried in the electric chair like that dude in The Green Mile. You know, "forget" to wet the sponge to put on his head so that he slowly burns to death. That would be justice right there.

[FryRulz]

Id want to be the one who kills them. And not just for murder either, id want to aswell if they raped a loved one. Or dared groom Hayley

[frys_red_jacket]

murderers, rapists and pedos definitly

[FryRulz]

Those are the people who make me sick in this world

[I Hate Bottles]

Only a few states now have child molestation/rape as a capital offense. I found this article:

Oklahoma Okays Death Penalty For Child Molesters (http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/06/09/902/60833)



Oklahoma joins South Carolina today in approving the death penalty for second time child molesters.

Oklahoma on Friday became the fifth state to allow the death penalty for certain sex crimes, although legal scholars questioned the constitutionality of the new state law. Under the measure signed by Gov. Brad Henry, anyone convicted twice for rape, sodomy or lewd molestation involving children under 14 can face the death penalty.

South Carolina's governor signed a similar law on Thursday allowing the death penalty for offenders convicted twice of raping children younger than 11. Louisiana, Florida and Montana also have laws allowing the death penalty for certain sex crimes.

And the retaliation:

David Brook, a law professor at Washington and Lee University in Lexington, Va., said the measure might actually put a child rape victim's life at risk. "The last message you want to give an offender who has the life of a child in his hands is you might as well kill the child because he's already got the death penalty," said Brook, who runs the Virginia Capital Case Clearing House, which assists lawyers in death penalty cases. "This is a very stupid message."

[FryRulz]

You know what pisses me off? When people say this sick f***s cant help it. And that its like being gay that your born that way....

[frys_red_jacket]

thats the most pathetic thing ive ever heard

[FryRulz]

And these people that defend them.... Would they be defending these people if it was their children that got raped and killed by these monsters?

[I Hate Bottles]

You know what pisses me off? When people say this sick f***s cant help it. And that its like being gay that your born that way....

Actually many scholars have determined that pedophilia is in fact a psychiatric disorder that they can't control, much like schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder. So being a pedophile isn't really their fault, but acting on their desires is. With regular psychiatric treatment, these actions can be stopped from happening. The desire will still be there but they won't act on it.

Take a patient with schizophrenia. Say they end up killing someone after they've decided to forgo all treatment and stop taking their medication...they would then be held responsible for their actions. Pedophilia is recognized by the Psychiatric Board as a mental disorder, much like other strange sexual fetishes are. I can't hate someone for being a pedo, but if they act on their desires they deserve exactly what is coming to them.

[FryRulz]

I dont care about if there is a mental thing or not. All i care about is the fact they know what they are doing and also know its sick and wrong.

[I Hate Bottles]

It is, but only if they act upon it. If they don't then there's nothing wrong.

[FryRulz]

I believe its wrong though if they look at a kid in that way...

Last week during hockey game it was a interval and i came out of the changing rooms to quickly see Becky. When i saw some prick taking pictures of her and hayley without them knowing, and i went nuts.

[I Hate Bottles]

Well thinking about wrong things and actually doing them are two very different things. I've thought a few times what it would be like to kill my ex-boyfriend, but I would never actually do it. Are my thoughts sick and wrong? Yes, but at least I would never do it in a million years.

And taking pictures of people without their knowledge? That's just creepy and wrong. I would beat the snot out of them.

[FryRulz]

I almost did kill the person that was taking the pics. But before i could get a punch in Hayley's godfather and my teammate Lunkers and two other teammates stopped me.....

[I Hate Bottles]

Thank goodness. I wouldn't want to see you locked up or anything.

[FryRulz]

Yeh guess its good i wasnt...

And that person was lucky because if Lunkers wasnt able to keep his cool then he have had both the father and god father beating his arse.

[I Hate Bottles]

That is just sick. What kind of perv takes pictures of a young girl and her baby without her knowledge? He deserved an ass beating.

[FryRulz]

That sicko did...

And while Lunkers did want to beat the crap out of him aswell, unlike me he knew we couldnt get in trouble...... ( its good having a godfather for Hayley who i know will protect her)

And well we did make a complaint to the police and they are dealing with it.

[I Hate Bottles]

Good, I hope they nail his ass to a wall.

About the whole pedophile thing, well I don't defend it at all and I have been affected by it a little bit on two separate occasions. I'm putting spoiler tags just in case because they are pretty disturbing. One time when I was about 10 or 11, I was walking to school and this guy in a car stopped next to me and asked for directions. When I looked over I noticed that he had himself exposed and was stroking it in front of me, and when he saw that I noticed he just gave me this perverted smile. I told the school crossing guard and I was called out of class later that day to talk to the police and they showed me some photos of the guy. They later caught him. On another occasion when I was about 12, I was at the bookstore and I bent down to look at a book that I was interested in. This pervy old guy came up behind me and stared playing with my bra strap and then he rubbed his...um...fluids on me. He bolted and ran before he could get caught.

I will never forget those experiences for as long as I live, and I remember them as vividly as I would if they happened yesterday. Even to this day I wonder why I was chosen by two different men on two separate occasions. It was sick and I still feel gross talking about it. I hope those sick f**ks got what was coming to them.

[Animal]

For the people who are truly guilty of crimes that merit the death penalty, I am completely for it

However, if there is even a shred of doubt in the case, I'm against

[Robot's_Best_Friend]

I agree, it all depends on the curcumstance.

[NovaMist]

It's a very difficult and multi-layered issue. Most of the time, though, I think a lifetime in a high-security prison in amongst the other rapists and murderers, or in solitary confinement, is far more of a price to pay for a rapist or serial killer than merely killing them. It's more of a punishment.

But do I want my hard-earned taxes to pay for that above my own education, health care etc? No. But then, do I want my tax money to pay for executions either? No.

Tricky whatever way you look at it.

[Yoshirama]

Now come to think of it it would be better to make them suffer for life in prison then just giving them like 5 seconds of pain and then dieing.

[NovaMist]

Now come to think of it it would be better to make them suffer for life in prison then just giving them like 5 seconds of pain and then dieing.

That's the way I've always thought about it! :)

[Yoshirama]

That could of been a factor in why they canned the death penalty.

[FryRulz]

Now come to think of it it would be better to make them suffer for life in prison then just giving them like 5 seconds of pain and then dieing.

Id do the old hung,drawn and quartered on them.

[NovaMist]

The other major issue with the death penalty is the whole "lack of appeal" thing. If you find out they were actually innocent the whole time...oops!

[FryRulz]

So you take a few white sheep out with the black sheep

[NovaMist]

lol Fry! How would you feel if it was you in that execution room, innocent?

[FryRulz]

lol Fry! How would you feel if it was you in that execution room, innocent?

Good point lol

[NovaMist]

Good point lol

Indeed! Now you think about that, young man! ;)

[FryRulz]

I will do lol

But if someone did anything to my family then they best hope the law catches them before i ever catch them.

[KING ZOIDY]

rape or kill i hope you die

[FryRulz]

Especially if you do it to a child

[KING ZOIDY]

oh god especially a kid

[FryRulz]

I hate those sick f***s

[frys_red_jacket]

Now come to think of it it would be better to make them suffer for life in prison then just giving them like 5 seconds of pain and then dieing.

thing is though they dont suffer in prison, they get games consoles and everything in their room

[KING ZOIDY]

not in america

[Yoshirama]

thing is though they dont suffer in prison, they get games consoles and everything in their room

Thats stupid, they should put them in bali cells.

[NovaMist]

thing is though they dont suffer in prison, they get games consoles and everything in their room

That's only in some prisons. And it's ridculous.

[Acid Eco]

against